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		<title>By: Does Alternative Medicine Help Cholinergic Urticaria?</title>
		<link>http://catcubed.com/2007/04/28/wikis-hives-and-cholinergic-urticaria-oh-my/comment-page-2/#comment-4155</link>
		<dc:creator>Does Alternative Medicine Help Cholinergic Urticaria?</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] But then, at the same time, another CU suffer stated on his web page that he has experimented with &#8220;candida cleanses&#8221; as well, and seen no benefits from it: http://catcubed.com/2007/04/28/wikis-hives-and-cholinergic-urticaria-oh-my/ [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] But then, at the same time, another CU suffer stated on his web page that he has experimented with &#8220;candida cleanses&#8221; as well, and seen no benefits from it: <a href="http://catcubed.com/2007/04/28/wikis-hives-and-cholinergic-urticaria-oh-my/" rel="nofollow">http://catcubed.com/2007/04/28/wikis-hives-and-cholinergic-urticaria-oh-my/</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rocky</title>
		<link>http://catcubed.com/2007/04/28/wikis-hives-and-cholinergic-urticaria-oh-my/comment-page-2/#comment-3846</link>
		<dc:creator>Rocky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Oct 2010 22:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Katrina   also when I went to hospital, my gp clearly said to me there is no immediate cure for it, u wud grow out of it eventually. gp recommended antihistamines in beginning...tried two three types  but nothing worked but finally one drug citrogen hydrochloride seems to be having significant effect on my body.....like wise I am not trying to console u but it wud be nice to believe that u wud also grow out it one day and continue doing ur daily routine rather than worrying about it..   I have learnt it from my own experience..gudluck.
Rocky
oho556@gmail.com]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Katrina   also when I went to hospital, my gp clearly said to me there is no immediate cure for it, u wud grow out of it eventually. gp recommended antihistamines in beginning&#8230;tried two three types  but nothing worked but finally one drug citrogen hydrochloride seems to be having significant effect on my body&#8230;..like wise I am not trying to console u but it wud be nice to believe that u wud also grow out it one day and continue doing ur daily routine rather than worrying about it..   I have learnt it from my own experience..gudluck.<br />
Rocky<br />
<a href="mailto:oho556@gmail.com">oho556@gmail.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rocky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rocky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Oct 2010 22:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello Katrina,
                      Welcome to the forum, As i said in my posts, I have done so much and actually it is working, gods grace, i did not break into hives recently at all....its winter now in london and i was afraid that hives are gonna come back but no, coz when i go out i do not wear any jumpers or jackets, do not have heating in my room...etc..   and exercises....I do parkour free running and muay thai......before i go to class i make sure i take citozen hydrochloride, an antihistamine.....it seems to be helping me and thats it really....god willing it wud never come back but i have to be carefull.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Katrina,<br />
                      Welcome to the forum, As i said in my posts, I have done so much and actually it is working, gods grace, i did not break into hives recently at all&#8230;.its winter now in london and i was afraid that hives are gonna come back but no, coz when i go out i do not wear any jumpers or jackets, do not have heating in my room&#8230;etc..   and exercises&#8230;.I do parkour free running and muay thai&#8230;&#8230;before i go to class i make sure i take citozen hydrochloride, an antihistamine&#8230;..it seems to be helping me and thats it really&#8230;.god willing it wud never come back but i have to be carefull.</p>
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		<title>By: Katarina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katarina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Oct 2010 04:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have had CU for 2 years and haven&#039;t been able to find a way to decrease my outbreaks.  Like many of you, I break out in hives after exercising or if my body temperature rises, and the hives will usually go away within an hour.  Still, I have stopped exercising almost entirely (yoga only causes mild outbreaks and is a great stress reliever so try to do that regularly to keep me sane).  In the past, I have tried the following for my CU, with no real results:  antihistamines, steroids, acupuncture, herbal medicine, drastic diets.  After trying a gluten-free diet for a month, I went for a run the other day to see if the diet helped my CU.  Not only did I still break out, but my eyes also swelled up and have now been swollen for 2 days. I learned this is called angioedema and can also affect your throat in bad cases and cause anaphylaxis.  The hives I could deal with, but the angioedema has me really scared.  Has anyone else experienced this and if so, has anything helped?  

Many thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have had CU for 2 years and haven&#8217;t been able to find a way to decrease my outbreaks.  Like many of you, I break out in hives after exercising or if my body temperature rises, and the hives will usually go away within an hour.  Still, I have stopped exercising almost entirely (yoga only causes mild outbreaks and is a great stress reliever so try to do that regularly to keep me sane).  In the past, I have tried the following for my CU, with no real results:  antihistamines, steroids, acupuncture, herbal medicine, drastic diets.  After trying a gluten-free diet for a month, I went for a run the other day to see if the diet helped my CU.  Not only did I still break out, but my eyes also swelled up and have now been swollen for 2 days. I learned this is called angioedema and can also affect your throat in bad cases and cause anaphylaxis.  The hives I could deal with, but the angioedema has me really scared.  Has anyone else experienced this and if so, has anything helped?  </p>
<p>Many thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Rocky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rocky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 07:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanku so much for the message bro, well did  u hear the latest news???

   Human beings are evolving,    the first stage is Hives and the final stage is being VAMPIRES.....coz we cant go out in sun and so cant the vampires aswell.....We are the first lucky batch...!!!!
Heheheheh....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanku so much for the message bro, well did  u hear the latest news???</p>
<p>   Human beings are evolving,    the first stage is Hives and the final stage is being VAMPIRES&#8230;..coz we cant go out in sun and so cant the vampires aswell&#8230;..We are the first lucky batch&#8230;!!!!<br />
Heheheheh&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin.N</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin.N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 17:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi, Rocky, thanks! Actually that&#039;s some other Martin above there, but nevermind :-) This physical condition is very interesting for me, because it can appear and after some time it is gone. I had it too when I was younger then it stopped, then it appeared again and I have it for some time now. Fortunatelly though my immunity system seem quite strong so I can enjoy the life - I can sport for more than an hour, dance the whole night and the hives are only visible on my belly. I can walk outside in winter without any significant problems, but that&#039;s only because I am sporting type of a person. If I get for example some kind of flu, then the hives are much stronger and all the things I listed are forbidden for me. I can remember the times when I was like 15 y.o. kid, I wasn&#039;t very sporty person and hives appeared even on my hands after about 300m of walking! So I am convinced sport and workout help a lot. I don&#039;t like this condition but I am not that desperate about it either anymore. When I was younger, I was pretty desperate, but you have to think possitive. I also thought that I wouldn&#039;t ever get a girl because of this. That&#039;s crazy, don&#039;t believe in that :-D But still you know, I am limited in some extend. Hives didn&#039;t become my friends, I still want them to go away, but if you learn to accept your condition, learn not to take it so damn seriously then your life will be much better I guess. If anything I can tell that I&#039;ve learned some discipline while having to take meds, control myself while working out, looking up material about it and so on. It made me more mature in a way. See - try to take something positive even from negative experiences.

P.S: Rocky I laughed when I read you studied Business IT/ICT, since I will hopefully start my master studies of IT management next year :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Rocky, thanks! Actually that&#8217;s some other Martin above there, but nevermind :-) This physical condition is very interesting for me, because it can appear and after some time it is gone. I had it too when I was younger then it stopped, then it appeared again and I have it for some time now. Fortunatelly though my immunity system seem quite strong so I can enjoy the life &#8211; I can sport for more than an hour, dance the whole night and the hives are only visible on my belly. I can walk outside in winter without any significant problems, but that&#8217;s only because I am sporting type of a person. If I get for example some kind of flu, then the hives are much stronger and all the things I listed are forbidden for me. I can remember the times when I was like 15 y.o. kid, I wasn&#8217;t very sporty person and hives appeared even on my hands after about 300m of walking! So I am convinced sport and workout help a lot. I don&#8217;t like this condition but I am not that desperate about it either anymore. When I was younger, I was pretty desperate, but you have to think possitive. I also thought that I wouldn&#8217;t ever get a girl because of this. That&#8217;s crazy, don&#8217;t believe in that :-D But still you know, I am limited in some extend. Hives didn&#8217;t become my friends, I still want them to go away, but if you learn to accept your condition, learn not to take it so damn seriously then your life will be much better I guess. If anything I can tell that I&#8217;ve learned some discipline while having to take meds, control myself while working out, looking up material about it and so on. It made me more mature in a way. See &#8211; try to take something positive even from negative experiences.</p>
<p>P.S: Rocky I laughed when I read you studied Business IT/ICT, since I will hopefully start my master studies of IT management next year :)</p>
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		<title>By: Rocky</title>
		<link>http://catcubed.com/2007/04/28/wikis-hives-and-cholinergic-urticaria-oh-my/comment-page-2/#comment-3271</link>
		<dc:creator>Rocky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 19:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[http://www.treatfast.com/content.asp?PageID=14834    found this website....din try it yet...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.treatfast.com/content.asp?PageID=14834" rel="nofollow">http://www.treatfast.com/content.asp?PageID=14834</a>    found this website&#8230;.din try it yet&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rocky</title>
		<link>http://catcubed.com/2007/04/28/wikis-hives-and-cholinergic-urticaria-oh-my/comment-page-2/#comment-3270</link>
		<dc:creator>Rocky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 19:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[martin, juz read ur old comment....so actually u have this from when u were 11, I can understand the pain u must have gone thru.....keep up the good work.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>martin, juz read ur old comment&#8230;.so actually u have this from when u were 11, I can understand the pain u must have gone thru&#8230;..keep up the good work.</p>
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		<title>By: Rocky</title>
		<link>http://catcubed.com/2007/04/28/wikis-hives-and-cholinergic-urticaria-oh-my/comment-page-2/#comment-3269</link>
		<dc:creator>Rocky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 17:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Martin, Thanku somuch for the valuable information. I really appreciate ur work, lot of information analysed logically, good mate.
     Those pics, my god, PEOPLE DONT WATCH THEM IF  U R NOT REALLY BRAVE....they are kind of really scary......
     Martin, so tell us about ur experience with hives.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martin, Thanku somuch for the valuable information. I really appreciate ur work, lot of information analysed logically, good mate.<br />
     Those pics, my god, PEOPLE DONT WATCH THEM IF  U R NOT REALLY BRAVE&#8230;.they are kind of really scary&#8230;&#8230;<br />
     Martin, so tell us about ur experience with hives.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi guys, so I am here again. I tried to gather some information from Urtikaria.net. So there you go: 

Firstly what seems to HELP (not heal it) against hives is:
1a) sport
2a) sauna 
3a) swimming 
4a) possitive mood (laughing, smling)
5a) avoiding stress 
6a) Avoiding fat and problematic food for you.

So basic logic tells me here, everything that helps to improve immunity might suppress the hives, so if your day schedule will be morning - swimming combinated with some sauna, then sport with friends while eating healthy, avoid cigarettes, alcohol and stuff then again sport, and maybe spend some nice evening in a pub, to have some good laughs, you should be like hivesfree pretty quickly, problem is to keep such a schedule, and it is often impossible as people have to earn money, while sitting e.g. in office. So we have to read on.

There are some expirence of people who are fully cured or allmost cured:

1b) Nigella sativa oil (maybe its better accessable under the german name &quot;SCHWARZKÜMMELÖL&quot;), the guy ate few drops a day and his cold and heat allergy seemed to be healed. 

2b) Another guy ate combination of tablets and felt completely without symptoms in no time : Natrium Chloratum, Calcium Phosphoricum, Ferrum Phosphoricum

3b) Girl tried to avoid everything from polyester and was completely healed. 

4b) Homeopathy seems to help but the information is very unclear, and every persons have different opinion on this. There were few persons, who have healed by eating drops against parasites in combination with drops (or tablets) against agressive acids in stomach (they had too acidic stomach)  

5b) Tablets against fungus as I told you yesterday, can be found in comment above.  

Another thing, what seems to be useless against hives? - Hard to guess, every person is original and what helps for one person can be totally useless for other, but there might be some hints based on empiric observation:

1c) taking antihistamine will help only short term, but it looks like it will weaken your organism in longterm (tablets stop to have an effect later) 

2c) CU seems to be caused by some discrepency inside the body, so there is maybe low probability to heal it by creaming skin - so trying to heal it from outside might not be wise (but again, if someone has good expereince with it, keep going! And write it down for other people to know) 

3c) Getting browner or more red skin from sun only seem to cover hives (make it less visible), not to heal it, although there might be some important substences in the sun especially for you, which helps you then from inside and then it might change appearing of the hives.

4c) Doctors.... Well this is meant partly as a joke, but we all probably know, how hard is to find the reason (source) of hives and going to ordinary allergy doctors makes very little sense, as you will probably only get antihistamines and lose your money and time there. Some specialist might be interesting, though they are often helpless even with SCIO based machines. Every person is other but I think following these urticaria Internet forums is a great idea. 

So now what might be the cause of this thing to even appear in us?

1d) Some people think it might be inherent.
2d) Other think it&#039;s being caused by moulds in air or on walls.
3d) Polluted air and nowadays conditions.
4d) Stress.
5d) Change of place of living (body not used to different conditions)
6d) Badly balanced hormones in body
7d) Virus or bacteria
8d) Trauma
9d) Combination of infections
10d) Contact with particular substance (see 3b)

I tried to extract the things from the forum which seemed logical enough or offered some kind of hope, though on the site I talked about, theres much more to find, just check that out.

Many persons have CU, regardless race, skincolor or other factors, do not think you are alone living this. In the forum I also discovered many people feel like monsters and don&#039;t want to even talk about this, they are ashamed of themselves for no good reasons. This has to change, people should become more open and possitive, do not fear to talk about it, at least on this forum, maybe the little thing you know, might help other people a lot! Let&#039;s hope there will be more information about this interesting health issue in the future. 

There&#039;s a really nice gallery with people, who have hives and other allery conditions, check their pictures if you wanna see, that you&#039;re not alone with bloody red eyes, big swollen ears and dotted bodies. Hands down if you upload your picture there, that&#039;s what I call 100% coolness :-))

http://www.urtikaria.net/index.php?id=836 



And in the end, I have a sci-fi theory for you, I made this up after reading a lot about CU. 

I personally like the opinion with mould or fungus (w.e.) I have a theory: I believe people who have this kind of allergy reactions, absorbed something - some kind of fungus and then it started to grow in their bodies, when temperature of a body changes, then this effect of red dots(marks) appears. Maybe its because the fungus itself doesn&#039;t feel comfortable when having different temperatures (as its used on normal body temp.) and starts to release some kind of toxines or any other kind of substances on which your body is allergic. But this should NOT give you the idea to kill the fugus by entering stuff like cryotherapy sessions, as this is only a wild theory and you could have anaphylactic shock and die. So rather don&#039;t do that!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi guys, so I am here again. I tried to gather some information from Urtikaria.net. So there you go: </p>
<p>Firstly what seems to HELP (not heal it) against hives is:<br />
1a) sport<br />
2a) sauna<br />
3a) swimming<br />
4a) possitive mood (laughing, smling)<br />
5a) avoiding stress<br />
6a) Avoiding fat and problematic food for you.</p>
<p>So basic logic tells me here, everything that helps to improve immunity might suppress the hives, so if your day schedule will be morning &#8211; swimming combinated with some sauna, then sport with friends while eating healthy, avoid cigarettes, alcohol and stuff then again sport, and maybe spend some nice evening in a pub, to have some good laughs, you should be like hivesfree pretty quickly, problem is to keep such a schedule, and it is often impossible as people have to earn money, while sitting e.g. in office. So we have to read on.</p>
<p>There are some expirence of people who are fully cured or allmost cured:</p>
<p>1b) Nigella sativa oil (maybe its better accessable under the german name &#8220;SCHWARZKÜMMELÖL&#8221;), the guy ate few drops a day and his cold and heat allergy seemed to be healed. </p>
<p>2b) Another guy ate combination of tablets and felt completely without symptoms in no time : Natrium Chloratum, Calcium Phosphoricum, Ferrum Phosphoricum</p>
<p>3b) Girl tried to avoid everything from polyester and was completely healed. </p>
<p>4b) Homeopathy seems to help but the information is very unclear, and every persons have different opinion on this. There were few persons, who have healed by eating drops against parasites in combination with drops (or tablets) against agressive acids in stomach (they had too acidic stomach)  </p>
<p>5b) Tablets against fungus as I told you yesterday, can be found in comment above.  </p>
<p>Another thing, what seems to be useless against hives? &#8211; Hard to guess, every person is original and what helps for one person can be totally useless for other, but there might be some hints based on empiric observation:</p>
<p>1c) taking antihistamine will help only short term, but it looks like it will weaken your organism in longterm (tablets stop to have an effect later) </p>
<p>2c) CU seems to be caused by some discrepency inside the body, so there is maybe low probability to heal it by creaming skin &#8211; so trying to heal it from outside might not be wise (but again, if someone has good expereince with it, keep going! And write it down for other people to know) </p>
<p>3c) Getting browner or more red skin from sun only seem to cover hives (make it less visible), not to heal it, although there might be some important substences in the sun especially for you, which helps you then from inside and then it might change appearing of the hives.</p>
<p>4c) Doctors&#8230;. Well this is meant partly as a joke, but we all probably know, how hard is to find the reason (source) of hives and going to ordinary allergy doctors makes very little sense, as you will probably only get antihistamines and lose your money and time there. Some specialist might be interesting, though they are often helpless even with SCIO based machines. Every person is other but I think following these urticaria Internet forums is a great idea. </p>
<p>So now what might be the cause of this thing to even appear in us?</p>
<p>1d) Some people think it might be inherent.<br />
2d) Other think it&#8217;s being caused by moulds in air or on walls.<br />
3d) Polluted air and nowadays conditions.<br />
4d) Stress.<br />
5d) Change of place of living (body not used to different conditions)<br />
6d) Badly balanced hormones in body<br />
7d) Virus or bacteria<br />
8d) Trauma<br />
9d) Combination of infections<br />
10d) Contact with particular substance (see 3b)</p>
<p>I tried to extract the things from the forum which seemed logical enough or offered some kind of hope, though on the site I talked about, theres much more to find, just check that out.</p>
<p>Many persons have CU, regardless race, skincolor or other factors, do not think you are alone living this. In the forum I also discovered many people feel like monsters and don&#8217;t want to even talk about this, they are ashamed of themselves for no good reasons. This has to change, people should become more open and possitive, do not fear to talk about it, at least on this forum, maybe the little thing you know, might help other people a lot! Let&#8217;s hope there will be more information about this interesting health issue in the future. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s a really nice gallery with people, who have hives and other allery conditions, check their pictures if you wanna see, that you&#8217;re not alone with bloody red eyes, big swollen ears and dotted bodies. Hands down if you upload your picture there, that&#8217;s what I call 100% coolness :-))</p>
<p><a href="http://www.urtikaria.net/index.php?id=836" rel="nofollow">http://www.urtikaria.net/index.php?id=836</a> </p>
<p>And in the end, I have a sci-fi theory for you, I made this up after reading a lot about CU. </p>
<p>I personally like the opinion with mould or fungus (w.e.) I have a theory: I believe people who have this kind of allergy reactions, absorbed something &#8211; some kind of fungus and then it started to grow in their bodies, when temperature of a body changes, then this effect of red dots(marks) appears. Maybe its because the fungus itself doesn&#8217;t feel comfortable when having different temperatures (as its used on normal body temp.) and starts to release some kind of toxines or any other kind of substances on which your body is allergic. But this should NOT give you the idea to kill the fugus by entering stuff like cryotherapy sessions, as this is only a wild theory and you could have anaphylactic shock and die. So rather don&#8217;t do that!</p>
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